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1974 Shamu for Mayor by 0rcinusorca 1974 Shamu for Mayor by 0rcinusorca
1974 Shamu for Mayor at Sea World San Diego.

For anyone who has seen the video of the 'attack' [ actually more of a reprimand ] of Ken Peters by Kasatka from 2006, this explains how she was able to so easily get over the separation net which surprised everyone when they thought it would keep her away. What she did by swimming over the water level net was step two of the training for this behavior. Being able to remember something she had been taught over 30 years ago demonstrates the length of the long term memory of Orcas.
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DutchOrca Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, I saw that video and was frankly stunned that they were so surprised that Kasatka cleared that net without any difficulty. I saw them let him lie down on the slideout and I was saying to myself, get him further away from the water, people! And there she came, right over the net like it wasn't there...

I mean, look at the various methods these animals use to catch prey. They are large, powerful, extremely intelligent predators, who are good at problem solving and if they want something, they'll get it! Not too mention that, like you said, a few decades ago teaching orcas to jump ropes and such strung across the water was very common.
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0rcinusorca Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
Well, according to the after show Q&A back then, Cetaceans are 'afraid' to jump over something when they don't know what's on the other side and need to be taught how to do it. Now in retrospect of that and what I have learned/seen since then that seems doubtful but fits with how places like SeaWorld present the 'truth' to the public.
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DutchOrca Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, you're right. But I also meant it more in a sense that she had been taught to jump water-level ropes in the past (to build up to a higher rope and jump), so she wouldn't have that fear plus she knows how to get across.

A younger animal or one which hasn't been taught this, might not try it because it's afraid of or unfamiliar with the net.
But like was said below, there is such a high rate of turn-over in trainers, maybe things get lost, forgotten because they are no longer used in shows and/or just not deemed important enough to be passed on?

But, then again, after reading other accounts of attacks like this and how easily these animals avoid or get over/under capture or separation nets, I doubt it's an effective measure to save a human. It might slow the animal down and then give someone a little bit of time to get out of a tank, but can you really stop an animal weighing thousands of pounds, with great strength and in its "natural" element, just with a net?
I remember seeing a video of an endoscopy performed in Loro Parque, I think on Keto. He didn't like it and he was tossing trainers off his back like ragdolls. And that was an animal on a raised false-bottom floor of a medical pool.

But yeah, it also fits with the consistent miss-information and down-playing of incidents like this, that the display industries tends to give. They seem determined to keep the public believing these are happy, cuddly sea pandas rather than powerful predators who could do serious harm to a human.
(Kasatka herself was/is known as an animal with aggression/dominance issues (according to the SW animal profile of her))


(Sorry for the :iconwalloftextplz: but I feel quite passionate about this. I'm not a rabid anti-cap but I do believe cetaceans and most large, wild animals do not belong in captivity)
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0rcinusorca Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
Yes, that was my point. That she had been taught to swim/jump over water level ropes decades ago for the rope jump trick which is no longer used and that fact probably was long forgotten. The park had used this method in the past to separate an Orcas from trainers in similar incidents over the years since the trick. It is interesting that she waited until now to demonstrate to the staff that it never really was a barrier all along. It demonstrates their Gandhi-like patience in dealing with an unbearable situation [ Captivity ] and in dealing with Humans who, for the most part, have no Respect for their intelligence, or Trust in them when working closely with them.

It is also interesting that Kasatka was in the public petting pool, as an essentially untrained Orca, for over a year and no one was EVER hurt, myself included. I think that it provides a good metric as to how captivity has corrupted them over the intervening decades when an untrained Orca interacts with untrained Humans for over a year and no one gets hurt. Case in point, I was grabbed over a dozen times by the arm by four different Orcas in gaining mutual Trust and Respect, in a similar manner in which Dawn was grabbed and I am whole and alive.

Then after three decades of Operant Behavior Conditioning [ show training ] working with, in Sea World's own words "Staff specially trained to work with Orcas" that these "Specially Trained" Humans get injured, maimed, and/or killed.

This does not speak well for Sea World's [ or any other park in the world ] training of the Orcas OR of their staff or their ability to maintain Orcas in captivity in a healthy, both physical and mental, manner.
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Rockypockypuff Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It seems like they don't look after what kinds of tricks they did in the past... It can save lives :/
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0rcinusorca Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
I think there has been too high a turn over, of both trainers and park ownership, over the years for them to have any way of remembering the older stuff, a lot of which probably was never 'documented' in a significant way either.
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